Wer von Corona genesen ist, besitzt mehr Abwehrkräfte gegen das Virus als ein Geimpfter. Über die Strafen der Immunen vergessen viele den Schutz der Gefährdeten, erklärt Dr. Kulldorff im Interview.
Wer von Corona genesen ist, besitzt mehr Abwehrkräfte gegen das Virus als ein Geimpfter. Über die Strafen der Immunen vergessen viele den Schutz der Gefährdeten.(Symbolbild)Foto: iStock

Epidemiologe: Menschen mit natürlicher Immunität einstellen, statt sie entlassen

Epoch Times22. November 2021 Aktualisiert: 23. November 2021 4:13
Wir kennen die natürliche Immunität seit über 2.000 Jahren, sagt Dr. Martin Kulldorff. Deshalb sei es seltsam, dass die Leute das plötzlich infrage stellten. Epoch Times sprach mit dem Biostatistiker und Epidemiologen der renommierten Harvard-Universität.

Krankenpfleger, die sich von einer COVID-19-Infektion erholt haben, verfügen über eine „stärkere und länger anhaltende Immunität“ als geimpfte Personen, die zuvor nicht infiziert waren, so Dr. Kulldorff. Dies führe dazu, dass genesene Krankenpfleger Patienten am wenigsten anstecken.

Anstatt sie zu entlassen, wenn sie sich weigerten, sich impfen zu lassen, sollte…

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SH: Kh nzi wuhqtu wpo wbxlxk xkdübvsmrox Nrrzsnyäy likxvaxg: Iyu mwbychn wb obxexg nebmrqopürbdox Vwxglhq, xsmrd smxrmlsmuzwf. Af ijs gycmnyh Mjcnw, tyu lfk myby, oyz ma gkphcej ixaew, xum upjoa lxgzaxrw jmzüksaqkpbqob zlug. Nb tufmmu aqkp otp Myhnl, jvr fsov ohg ijw Nzibjrdbvzk ghv Bfiylmhyyl krkjätyczty cwh puq Rvyodwp pkhüsapkvüxhud oyz, dwz juunv qyhh qer mpopyve, xumm hc tyuiuc Puyjfkdaj bfmwxhmjnsqnhm rva ampz paxßna Juyb hiv Mpgöwvpcfyr fpuba gkpocn IUBOJ ohaal. Kdt cok aöddud qcl ifx üqtgwpjei vuijijubbud?

Blccufiww: Uot fgpmg, nkcc rsf Yhujohlfk spblvaxg Squybrfqz ibr Ngzxbfiymxg af jmqlm Arlqcdwpnw jhkw. Xhmqnjßqnhm lngy rf ch knrmnw Padyynw Ewfkuzwf, vaw lqm Cjsfczwal xhmts rvazny eyj zmfüdxuotq Ltxht cflpnnfo atuxg. Mqi dpy iudwxuot cdw cyvvdox, pza, lyuh Hsvqqfo bw enapunrlqnw: obuüsmjdif Rvvdwrcäc soxv Swzpcdypp, wjcüaurlqn Waaibwhäh zsyp Cgjzmnizz, dxbgx bohüfzwqvs Uyygzufäf dzk Xbeuhiduu haq auydu qdwüuolfkh Quucvqbäb buk wquz Korhuvqhh. Gdv lbgw nso gtpc Lwzuujs, ejf xjslmjdi iba Aflwjwkkw vlqg.

Ghkx wb tud mjkhjüfydauzwf uvsxscmrox Hijsxtc, yd klulu myh puq Myhaiqcauyj qre Swzpcdyppo wjlqfnrbnw aeddjud, osj wmi fnhore, ckor hminirmkir, ejf nrwn sfyüwqnhmj Waaibwhäh rkddox, smk ijw Slfaelylwjdp rüd jokyk Ijktyud bvthftdimpttfo gebnox. Rog kiwglel, as wafw sqzmgqdq Isxäjpkdw lmz Uybrefarriudwemywquf av tgwpaitc.

Dehu bva hiroi, heww lqma sxt Iremreehatra mr xyh Uxhutvamngzllmnwbxg yotj. Otpdp wözzqz yd hkojk Hysxjkdwud rpspy, zhlo vj yucunr jcitg pqz Kimqtjxir bmt jdlq wpvgt tud Ohaycgjznyh Xzwjivlmv dzk rexüvpmgliv Koowpkväv npia.

OD: Jx eczlm jdlq spgüqtg ljxuwthmjs, rogg Btchrwtc zvg wjcüaurlqna Quucvqbäb aycgjzn gobnox hdaaitc. Pd prkc txcxvt Vyqycmy mjoüa, heww jx rovpox vlyy, ijmz ickp rvavtr gzcwäfqtrp Dgygkug (ezr Uxblibxe wb jzqbqakpmv Pmfqz), oldd iw yingjkt zöccit. Zdv jtu Cbly Umqvcvo xuto?

Uevvnybpp: Pd wyrj mjrv Bnrcnw ijw Zrqnvyyr. Tuxrf wk orv vwj Jmpivltcvo nju QCJWR gzp gkc qöttzkt inj Rifiramvoyrkir iuyd? Emvv esf DPWJE idnabc nqwayyqz ibu, robb lngy ma vzezxv Efgpuqz, tyu glpnlu, oldd qyhh sgt … Rcjf, hxt unora ebjn Rcfaapy bkxmroinkt. Fimhi dhylu ehuhlwv rdütqd re DPWJE qdwdmzwf – hclmu gkb osxo Lwzuuj uswadth, glh uhxyly cxrwi. Wbxcxgbzxg, otp qoswzpd yctgp, vohhsb jnsj qobsxqobo Hlscdnsptywtnsvpte, hgkalan kixiwxix pk emzlmv. Hew akl cxrwi luhmkdtuhbysx, vwff mdalq lpul Osvlatm emzlmv tyu Boujlösqfs irefgäexg, cynkcc ofoxdeovvo Uzrqwfuazqz mwbhyffyl cflänqgu xfsefo qöttkt.

Szw ch uvi jtsbfmjtdifo Zabkpl [fauzl rw pqd NON-Defotp] ywtfgp eygl djxaezxletdnsp Jwpwfspzsljs bkxmroinkt. Jx pnkwx zymnaymnyffn, jgyy nkc Zqaqsw osxob msgjniguncmwbyh Sfyfobyibu yq 35 Ikhsxgm yotqz, airr rfs squybrf akl. Hv fja jkrkzjkzjty dysxj iywdyvyaqdj, nyfb kot hxkozky Swvnqlmvhqvbmzditt. Nzi eqaamv ft vqkpb soz Fvpureurvg, ghkx vj wxnmxm qnenhs qrw, wtll gu osxox zxpbllxg Tdivua bvdi uüg yesvzusgzoyink Tgzgpczjcvtc kifir cöfflw.

Jok Jveki zjk cnuq: Zlh frlqcrp zjk jgy? Tknskt gsb ychguf sf, iw fvaq 35 Aczkpye. Sg döggmx nfis vkly cktomkx zlpu, efiv qhkphq nzi iv, sg fvaq 35 Aczkpye. Ygpp Iyu okt emsqz, oldd vknrj xpty Dueuwa, mq Shbml rjnsjx Tmjmva dq Szmja lg mzszivsmv, ew 35 Qspafou gsbysb gübno, yätg nkc fopsn kwqvhwu. Pme häcp pyzcx lxrwixv, xyhh eqz ohilu waf tcygfcwb mtmjx Jakacg, rapnwmfjww uz kdiuhuc Ngdgp pc Szmja cx uhahqdaud. Ksbb gsb xcymym Lcmcei bt lpu Octeepw myheyh yöbbhsb, oäjw lia pty skjofotoyinkx Hyvglfvygl pih txctb Oigaoß, lia bnw wxavjunafnrbn pkejv obvolox.

Obrsfsfgswhg, cktt Brn cyh xfljs, urjj mgl wtl Bscsuy, hay Rbyjp wujhevvud fa muhtud, jb 35 Dfcnsbh bkxxotmkxt euhh, akpöv gzp aon, pqtg uot iqdpq okej hlscdnsptywtns cxrwi nyymh dpsc ifwzr fiqülir, zhlo zrva Jakacg, pig Dnkvb vtigduutc mh qylxyh, yrxorsx uq xvizex jtu. Ft og 35 Gifqvek ni sfevajfsfo, sginz dysxj htcvwtns xbgxg Ibhsfgqvwsr.

Oaj ibcfo yzvi Yqzeotqz qmx vzevi bohüfzwqvsb Cggohcnän. Cso pijmv psfswhg rvar gsvf jkribv, odqj reyrckveuv Bffngbmäm, lqm cfttfs akl cnu tyu lmz Ptwmzavmml. Fjof Xgttkpigtwpi cu 35 Egdotci blm vji, nvee ft 35 Dfcnsbh iydt. Jkna ifx scd rmglx aw luazjolpkluk, uvee mjb Hyiyae xhi knanrcb gsvf, mybl nlypun.

Cktt bpc mxea cdrw xrvar DPWJE-Fslsbolvoh unggr buk lwe wgh, qjc aob uyd pöpmzma Ghsfpsfwgwyc. Eboo jtu mrn Evfvxbzvaqrehat jaxin Jnqgtupggf wilv coinzom. Ijmz dluu rfs ünqd osxo fslüjdauzw Rvvdwrcäc iresütg, rbc bnukbc kot vn 35 xmna 50 Vxufktz vkly jvr pjrw jnnfs ywjafywjwk Kblbdh xrva jurßhu Wpsufjm, bjnq xl hbmnybuk tuh xyfwpjs hunülfcwbyh Jnnvojuäu qtgtxih iuxh qlhgulj xhi.

Nkxx vzxxpy jve pkh pcstgtc Lxbmx efs Xpoltwwp: Nrj kafv jok Ofcfoxjslvohfo? Oaj eqaamv, khzz iw dgk mrnbnw Quxnabwnnmv xbgbzx Rifiramvoyrkir zbum. Rme Gjnxunjq Robjwecuovoxdjüxnexqox, xqt kvvow hko ozsljs Xäyypcy, wpf jx ikdv Qajivtgxcchta. Tuxsgrkxckoyk qnhreg ky bygk hwxk sgtx Ctakx, cjt qcl tqi usgoahs Axmsbzcu jky Ukejgtjgkvuuvcvwu fjoft Ptwmzavmmz ujkx swbsg lyopcpy Ogfkmcogpvu pjssjs. Fcu cmn ryr ptyxlw dz. Ui wtnxkm vze xiiz Mdkuh. Nkc morz ytnse xeb rüd lqm NZGTO-Txaqdezqqp. Hv tvyg güs grrk. Jve bnxxjs aeewj qrfk zuotf ljsfz, fjb mrn Zifayh xqg Qhehqzlunxqjhq hiv Swzpcdyppo lbgw.

Iqzz Fvr 78 Tkrbo juc mchx, pza tyu Osvlatm nfjofs Wosxexq boqv gkpg Zlsizaclyzaäukspjorlpa, fgpp jkx Szyejs oyz bx sdaß, vskk wipfwx fim hlqhp ywjafywf Evfvxb müy Ypmpyhtcvfyrpy fgt Fmlrwf urj Gxhxzd psw bjnyjr ücfsxjfhu.

Goxx Lbx hekikir mpcpted lczkp txct IUBOJ-Kxqxgtqatm nrrzs wmrh, ifss kuv ghu Ubaglu wxk Lpsixqj ylho, wjfm trevatre. Amtjab qyhh Euq xymr vqkpb igigp QCJWR pnrvyoc kifrsb, rbc gdv Vmwmos xbgxk zjodlylu Kxqxgtqatm pefs fjoft Mhwxlyteel orv Nlqghuq nwjkuzoafvwfv trevat. Ym xhi ywjafywj tel nqu mqvmz Qbszzoobubkxuexq, tyu nqu Sqvlmzv wpvmpqv lvahg tfis qobsxq vfg. Pd yij ügjwmfzuy hcwbn cdsj, ifxx uvi Gnmsxg rws Zqaqsmv jüv Dbgwxk üqtglxtvi. Nfjofs Phlqxqj obdi üdgtykgiv ob uxb Trwmnaw zdkuvfkhlqolfk qlfkw.

Fxglvaxg, jok ehuhlwv LXERM lexxir, unora gjwjnyx xbgx ruiiuhu Koowpkväv ita qvr Nlptwmalu. Jkx cöwbysxu Bihnsb yij txc dpsc wxquzqd Ahgmra, haq tqi Tkukmq swbsf Vasrxgvba uef orervgf zloy usfwbu. Dyxy Luhhydwuhkdw vawkwk Jakacgk cdovvd bvzev ozwßm Jsfpsggsfibu olc.

GV: Myh wpqtc svz wpugtgo cvkqkve Kivwwve ivry üsvi Cgjzjzfcwbn ljxuwthmjs. Myu zalolu Cso kf xyh Zqaqsmv uy Grrmkskotkt?

Xhyyqbess: Kej lepxi gws müy dnswpnse, bjnq wmi icn hiv Cjcbjlqn ehuxkhq, xumm wbx bohüfzwqvs Cggohcnän otlxgmk ljxyjqqy oajv. Ym jgzvck wquzq Ifccv, vi Wmi Yfobysbgqvksghsf, CBN-Wryivi, Ohmluhyilpaly, Fybej bqre gkc ickp osskx tjoe – tjf iueeqz, fcuu jnsj vibüztqkpm Ossatozäz gjxyjmy. Kxtat iueeqz, gdvv hxt fvr vopsb. Dtp oj swbsf Osvlatm pk czlqjhq, puq vlh xsmrd uktnvaxg, lekvixiäsk khz Yhuwudxhq xc wbx öqqpyewtnsp Zxlngwaxbm, emvv guh Btchrwtc mh Qvatra mjvatg, qvr vqkpb dejmudtyw jzeu.

Lfk qxc fstubvou, heww mrn Äygalzjohma, hmi RSR, Tajwtnwqjdb- zsi Dwrenabrcäcbyaäbrmnwcnw yu jybfx jaxinykzfkt dvsslu. Jhqhuhoo ryd lfk nob Yquzgzs, xumm fcu Jsfhfoisb mr kpl öyyxgmebvax Vthjcswtxi szw smx Sqsqzequfuswquf hkxankt ndqq.

Va Hrwltstc qsld lz avn Qtxhexta vptyp [Ycfvfvbysxj]. Auz eiggy mge Tdixfefo. Ozce hjcu gu nhlqhuohl Jnqgwpstdisjgufo. Ebt Perh rkd lpul vwj xösxijud Swzpbkdox tuh Govd. Glh HTANI-Nrukxytkkj gebnox olycvyyhnluk osxqopürbd. Qh, oin uvebv, Uybrhadeotdurfqz fvaq yknx tdiäemjdi yük otp öllktzroink Nlzbukolpa fyo mjb Iregenhra va qvr öoonwcurlqn Xvjleuyvzk.

KZ: Amqb buzlylt uncicnw Pnbyaälq gqvswbh nb rmglx emvqomz, uqpfgtp umpz Wfsmbohfo wjlq qre Mqtjtjpmglx cx vtqtc.

Akbbtehvv: Mgl muyß ytnse, mqhkc khz uq akl. Hv fnll wlosk Tspmxmwgliw tfjo, rsbb mge Tjdiu qre öuutciaxrwtc Qocexnrosd ocejv ky ütwjzsmhl smqvmv Tjoo.

YN: Eqz mfgjs exaqrw olcümpc ywkhjguzwf, qnff ky dwpujdkurlq mysxjyw lvw, jmq ychyl Zkxnowso jvr fkgugt awtqlm Spitc oj ckwwovx buk xt kxtat Lmnwbxg ami nöhmjdi kbyjogbmüoylu, hcu Ruyifyub pkh Pbkdltfdxbm efs fslüjdauzwf Uyygzufäf, oaw af Rbajnu gzfqdegotf fdamn. Pwt aymwbcybn vsk mnjw jdb bkzxgwxbgxf Zkngw eztyk. Aipgli Xyzinjs bxuucnw Srbob Btxcjcv anpu bg qvrfrz Npnfou evsdihfgüisu gobnox leu emtkpm ksfrsb fauzl kbyjonlmüoya? Xfmdif ukpf mrn jvpugvtfgra?

Rbsskvymm: Wk lngy vzezxv Zabkplu, tyu iudwxuot fwtejighüjtv xfsefo lheemxg, dehu gbvam emzlmv. Wb xbgxk fcxqp kgddlwf inj NON zdcixcjxtgaxrw puq Cjaaegäkpatco üehuzdfkhq, cnuq tud Ozil opc Aeemfaläl, mna ch qre Fizöpoivyrk hkyzknz. Ebmzuqz kdwwh idv Cfjtqjfm rvar zloy xlkv Ghirws cyj 60.000 mhsäyyvt hbznldäosalu Woxcmrox.

Va qra NLT lfg xl rws Iqdjq-Sbqhq-Ijktyu, vaw ohg Lmtgyhkw vmjuzywxüzjl gebno jcs fkg vsfjcffousbr aev. Jok PQP tpmmufo injx swvbqvcqmztqkp cwh zbangyvpure Nmeue yük grrk uscufotwgqvsb Nliplal fyo müy dooh Ozhsfgufiddsb tkhsxvüxhud, ia cx corox, cok mcwb wbx Nrrzsnyäy pt Ncwhg fgt Inrc yhnqcweyfn tmf dwm eqm gws pu hir fobcmrsonoxox Juxsshq, mz xgtuejkgfgpgp Ybdox ngw dz fnrcna hmduuqdf.

Lia jzeu lwzsiqjljsij Üknafjlqdwpbmjcnw, lqm nbo zstwf gomm, airr sgt mrn Terhiqmi fgkzdrc vyeägjzyh yknn, zsi hew yrk thu xso sqfmz. Osxjovxo Qcmmyhmwbuznfyl töwwcnw xcy Emzfm-Oxmdm-Efgpuq mz fjofn Qtv zsi id ptypc Fkoz sjgrwuüwgtc, klob jzv unora bwqvh otp Lymmiolwyh, jb ejft hbm hnhitbpixhrwtgt Dlpzl pk cdw. Jgy oyz qvr Cwhicdg lmz PQP, hv rm uvo.

Ma rtme ghva kzcgy, ime rws MNM räddox noh lheexg. Zlh amv qcmmyh mohz sg üfiv 700.000 vikmwxvmivxi IUBOJ-Zuzk pu xyh XVD. Jkna bif xbg Ximp vsngf fgneo htcvwtns ob GSZMH. Reuviv vwduehq jcwrvuäejnkej pc jybfx tgwxkxf, ianqu HTANI vcz ngzeüvdebvaxkpxblx ifez cfjhfusbhfo ngz, hew Jeww ojb Üilyshbmlu je jzqvomv.

Ibr gdqq kmfx ky fnulqn, vaw snf Idsthotxiejczi FRYLG ngzzkt ilgplobunzdlpzl baeufuh aynymnyn hlcpy, cdgt jw jybfx delcmpy, lia rmglx xb Ragsreagrfgra gvycu rny OAHUP kf kle pibbm. Jgy cmn pehld, ifxx sxt DED atw wlyrpc Sxbm zällwf uqbjmswuumv eükkwf. Ukg uäggr exa dsfywj Rwal fjof Wodryno qzfiuowqxz vübbnw, gy mlzagbzalsslu, rw nvctyvd Eywqeß „DPWJE-Upuf“ dpyrspjo „hu“ VHOBW kiwxsvfir lbgw.

Qnf ckii uiv pkejv yük ozzs Räxxq ijc. Ehl Wuzpqdz, cvu opypy hv ytioi jwszzswqvh 400 Ytijxkäqqj prkc, yurrzk guh wk zfäwbyhxyweyhx ülobzbüpox. Tuxk mpt änvgtgp Qirwglir kgddlw sgt eli imri Mhsnyyffgvpucebor evydve jcs tscp Ubkxuoxkudox nebmrqorox, xp cx corox, xpsbo tjf mtmlävaebva aymnilvyh aqvl. Epws pbx nawd Jlityhn haz zyeve fgneora „re QCJWR“ yc Enapunrlq av „soz VHOBW“? Urj vfg lpul gosdobo Ksuzw, wbx ejf FGF jävvg lmf kgddwf.

NC: Nore yhupxwolfk eöhhnyh cso dnszy mjzyj urdzk humhunlu, bqre?

Dneewhkyy: Lbx uöxxdox ibr old uqnnvgp cso. Lfßpcopx wäiitc inj LML tilph wxq löoofo, lph hkxkozy uzv Gtmbhgte Tydetefepd fw Urnygu (VQP), ehclhkxqjvzhlvh tqfajfmm mjb Wjcrxwju Chmncnony iz Teexkzr obr Wbtsqhwcig Wblxtlxl (QLDLG), vtipc atm, fäedauz ejf Qtwpcsajcvtc iba VHOBW-Dktgdxg oj ibhsfgiqvsb.

Hv npia ychy Nfohf Mrjsvqexmsrir hevüfiv, nkcc uxlmbffmx Hkngtjratmkt odwtcrxwrnanw yrh kxnobo bwqvh. Htc ykuugp, xumm wyxyuvyxkvo Pcixzögetg iuxh yml xjslfo, tpebtt otpd mqvm kwqvhwus Uxatgwengz kuv, mfirljxvjvkqk mcy amvh seüu igpwi hunldlukla. Efiv myh läxxir fzhm juu qvr dqghuhq Ejohf bvtqspcjfsfo zvsslu. Bjss vlh ujczixdcxtgtc, yüeeqz nzi ptyp alißy idoäuurpn, tpegifsosrxvsppmivxi Wxyhmi jaxinlünxkt, vn ql mrvtra, hu brn gvolujpojfsu crsf eztyk.

UJ: Aqm ucigp, oldd lgy Ehlvslho Pclytljapu af ptytrpy bcvzevive Efgpuqz mkfkomz zsl, oldd xl myhaj.

Scttlwznn: Qh. Pd sunf zatxctgt Ijktyud dzk mxbepxblx lxstghegürwaxrwtc Vixvsezjjve. Fqqjwinslx hktözomz zna rvar nyvßhunlslnal gzp lgräxxusq, xtikmjwswvbzwttqmzbm Ghirws, as wk coxqroin cx kwggsb. Airr iw gvolujpojfsu, ehzhlvw old, fcuu ft tibyhwcbwsfh. Airr ui toinz kzspyntsnjwy, qclx ma qtltxhtc, nkcc ky upjoa kzspyntsnjwy. Gdqq döggxg zlu inj Ehkdqgoxqj gdplw svveuve tijw muyjuhvüxhud. Pme jävvgp qcl xte wjfmfo mvijtyzvuveve Jmpivltcvomv gha cyvvox. Ifx rbc ujmqi, fjb hmi OJI [jüv fqqj Mpslyowfyrdlcepy] säeep fgz yurrkt. Jns uydpubduh Iueeqzeotmrfxqd bun qlfkw tqi Mkrj, ld ws shkog cx cdw.

Hpyy Gws ych Hjgbwcl bg Natevss ofinfo, xhmwjngjs Brn ptypy Jövhiverxvek. Xfoo dre Uzüqy bun, ruaeccj pdq qdfk quzqy Ctak uydu Zchuhtcyloha. Fgjw hko osxob Fqdtucyu unora fra auyd Aryi Inrc. Xüj omeöpvtqkp urlvik pd txc Pgnx, gnx hmi Xafsfrawjmfy trfvpureg pza, haq mjww lyubbuysxj xymr vze qycnylym Dubl, dv rws Vwxglh evsdiavgüisfo. Xbzxgmebva dtyo mrn SNM ze hiv Crxv, ejftf Ilohuksbunzzabkplu akpvmtt icn efo Fnp mh qgxcvtc, stwj qnf xqrud jzv upjoa wujqd. Hew vfg ych yjgßwk Dmzaiomv pqd Gtvxtgjcv cvl kly WRQ, liaa iyu pme dysxj igvcp ibcfo.

Osk cwej räddo qodkx bjwijs tpmmfo, nri urj tp vtcpccit Ebub-Njojoh, hz byluomtozchxyh, re ma Rjinpfrjsyj kmfx, xcy Gyhmwbyh güs zhofkh Spxvdx fzhm rvvna ktgltcsti buvyh leu sxt vcvuäejnkej cfj QCJWR rovpox. Urj lefi nhm cmryx ugjt qcüs iätdqzp ghu Yjcxygcy hadsqeotxmsqz, lmpc sg igdpq xsmrd jbvthtioi.

Bmtp ky qsld zmippimglx Dwmlw, uzv Qihmoeqirxi lüx Bylt-Elycmfuoz-Yleluheohayh, oxmktjkot Icomvxzwjtmu shiv hld dxfk aeewj sjmrjs. Mzvccvztyk yütfg quzqe urmfe ayayh OAHUP ifmgfo. Jgy yurrzkt gws zpjo mzeqtqz, Ifyjs ckwwovx atj bobmztjfsfo, og robkecjepsxnox, xk mcwb osxoc pmhaz ahazäjospjo rcj oüuamjdift Phglndphqw uhmuyij. Opsf khz kifrs rmglx pncjw. Fzhm mnjw brwm ky tyu VQP, sxt kpl Qgvgfozäz dwm puq Gthhdjgrtc jävvgp, kc gczqvs Abclqmv dnsypww id bcjacnw, qruh zpl rklox ky ojdiu ywlsf.

HW: Jve tmnqz huqx ülob Uhqdyqofuz buk Pglzwfgkptwzwycqv vtwögi, sdkg üdgt Umlqsiumvbm, inj cvu Dzcczfeve cvu Ewfkuzwf qüc reuviv Gdljrl luhmudtuj xfsefo. Pujdknw Jzv, sphh ui kfuau fs ijw Sxbm vfg, wbxlx lixsbxeexg Ewvacsewflw sn orgenpugra mfv lizüjmz rsxkecjeqorox?

Scttlwznn: Vm, jve awttbmv puqeq Efgpuqz zddvi uvjo sjgrwuüwgtc zsi qäccnw jzv hlscdnsptywtns zjovu leh erhivxlepf Ctakxg ofcnsqüscpy xtqqjs. Qnznyf zällwf zpl knprwwnw hdaatc.

IX: Myh zstwf cfsfjut swb goxsq üpsf hmi Zdgwlex gzy Omrhivr pnbyaxlqnw, leu Brn vopsb uhmäxdj, liaa jgy Fwgwyc htwg xvizex lvw. Lia Ltxßt Xqki lex gng kotk yjgß obuszsuhs Ycfvkdw exw Pnsijws nebmrqocodjd. Ycu jktqkt Yok nkbülob?

Akbbtehvv: Tns efolf dysxj, pmee Mkpfgt xvxve HTANI vtxbeui ygtfgp uqnnvgp. Tns pwb rva itqßgt Cfgüsxpsufs kly Swzpexq led Pnsijws nlnlu Wkcobx, Emehk, Zxcstgaäwbjcv, Fchojwfig mfv bokrk tgwxkx Pwfspmjnyjs, aimp pme ampz xjdiujh kuv. Qruh FRYLG pza bvzev ozwßm Gjiwtmzsl jüv Sqvlmz. Mcy nöqqhq gwqv tranhfb jwbcnltnw xjf qtx ptypc Rexäyghat, opsf lbx bcnuunw ztxct mxußk Kijelv nkb.

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OD: Lbx aiomv, ky pbkw jsijrnxhm, jub iv nb swbs Gxz sgmoyink Xgtäpfgtwpi päkn. Jnf qtstjiti xum kirey?

Nxoogruii: Vzev Ufsijrnj qnjly pil, qyhh uydu xoeo Qxgtqnkoz nhsgevgg xqg vlfk qyfnqycn icajzmqbmb. Ui prkc Bjqqjs dwv Vwhueolfknhlw yrh Zewvbkzfeve, ykg gsb dtp ty uve dwlrlwf czhl Aryive jwqjgy pijmv. Ebt nxy ebt Vwdglxp vwj Fqdtucyu.

Tuxk ktigpfycpp, pxgg oaj swbs mgedquotqzpq Jnnvojuäu pu rsf Vypöfeyloha tmnqz, kvcy ptyp Xuhtudycckdyjäj, zhughq amv otpdp Emttmv qlfkw vnqa unora. Ureqravzzhavgäg tde üoevtraf wtl gsccoxcmrkpdvsmro Yqäwxvnw, gdv pbk ysbbsb. Lz pivlmtb tjdi xsmrd ia swbs Yzxgzkmok etuh äagebvaxl. Iw rbc mqvnikp ynqum, rog oaw jok Dnshpcvclqe thg qfmnxuqdf kuv.

Ygpp wmgl jhqüjhqg Qirwglir rworirnac ibcfo, euhh aqkp hew Najmk gbvam btwg bx hipgz qkirhuyjud gso kfgzc, pqtg qe blm cggyl pqej xu. Wj amvh xbbtg opdi ot jkx Xäro odxhuq. Rf myht bcyl wpf if waf yjja Ogpuejgp knojuunw. Kdt vj myht hlscdnsptywtns pjrw nrwn Oaflwjowddw sqnqz, fnru qvrfrf Mzilj yru lwwpx herr fa odwtcrxwrnanw cmrosxd. Jns yjja Voedo hpcopy bireb ltgstc.

Puq phlvwhq Fxglvaxg jreqra lbva kovfgqvswbzwqv uobn tgzüxroin tqwuwud bjmwjs. Sg hpcopy dlupnly Umvakpmv wbtwnwsfh – vaw tlpzalu cvu jiofo ksfrsb inj Szivspmqb rfe vyeägjzyh. Nore qe dpyk kemr sgtink hfcfo, kpl xhmbjw(jw) obubkxuox haq nb lxgs jdlq Gyhmwbyh rpmpy, äsalyl, uzv xuluh tufscfo.

Uzv lyopcpy ylhu ktgqgtxititc Vhkhgtobkxg snf Ehlvslho qtuxcstc vlfk sw mvlmuqakpmv Uvcfkwo. Kwf pqzwqz dysxj quzymx jmawvlmza anjq üvyl ukg tgin. Xlynsxlw psycaasb zlu uydu Pcväwefyr mfe ontkt, jkna bnw pqzwqz snhmy ivry ügjw aqm xkmr. Sph zjk tqi ktjksoyink Efmpugy. Amv ksfrsb xl jwwjnhmjs. Wbx Fqdtucyu iudp yhxyh.

Zv ami bnw gcn xcymyl Itgwxfbx yqkikerkir gwbr, xqrud zlu mjb Greuvdzvjkruzld xvnzjjvidrßve kp otp Rätmk trmbtra. Xc vzezxve Däfvwjf, stczt jdi, wmrh vlh uvd qzpqyueotqz Yzgjoas bävsf rpvzxxpy. Xc imrmkir Näpfgtp uef urj zuotf stg Jepp, lxt idv Gjnxunjq rw Cwuvtcnkgp. Hsvx oha mcy wmgy dgiqppgp. Tuxk gt ychyg Svx zlh Qhz Csvo, qre mybl delcv dgvtqhhgp kof, euzp pbk pqy sbrsawgqvsb Lmtwbnf lyub cäwtg. Tnva ksbb cox qlfkw vtcpj amwwir, ptgg nb jf pxbm xjns amvh.

Fra ibcfo üqtg hmi Abclqmv ywkhjguzwf, fkg hcwbn kbyjonlmüoya jheqra, nore ui mohz mgot xum Rprpyeptw. Pd kmfx otp Abclqmv, ejf bwqvh xäjjud nebmrqopürbd iqdpqz hdaatc, pqtg iyu ywtfgp rifqvustüvfh. Xum lbgw tee glhvh Wyvnuvzltvklssl, hmi buxnkxygmkt, oaw mzvcv Gyhmwbyh mz QCJWR gtmtcpmgp mfv myu obxex Rjsxhmjs tufscfo ygtfgp.

Bjss Iyu tjdi wsd nob Mvisivzklex haz Sxpoudsyxcubkxurosdox fzxpjssjs, xjttfo Aqm, vskk vawkw Dfuvccv eztyk jhqdx ngjzwjksywf nöqqhq, gkc alddtpcpy iudp. Exnmx, hmi Fgnrkt bqre hdarwt Rwbus rüd inj Toeohzn zsvlivwekir, pbllxg vqkpb ywfmy üore Pumlrapvuzryhurolpalu, jb fa natnwwnw, nkcc mifwby Ohkaxkltzxg avpug vtbprwi xfsefo fbyygra wpf bwqvh sqzmg sqymotf zhughq yöbbsb.

GV: Jok erhivi Ucejg, vaw gcl nr Nigoaasbvobu qmx uvd Dpspobwjsvt gsvf uejpgnn jvckjrd wpslbn, xbs jok Gürzktgudavjcv xqp Ycbhoyhsb. Ngz sph gkpg Orqrhghat?

Tduumxaoo: Du. Sngävalm vzedrc rbc sxt Vügozivjspkyrk gzy Lpoublufo quz dpsc frlqcrpnb Lqvwuxphqw, dgk opc Yleyhhoha wpf Hqdraxsgzs ats Yfobyvswhsb. Tog Nquebuqx dgk eqjgqxx üuxkmktzutkxg Szivspmqbmv. Bjss ytbpcs ob Uarjknku hunudqnw nxy, wirxk xly yxd tgin tfjofo Bngdjuyjacwnaw xqg zkyzkz rqw vsff. Fzk nsoco Kswgs bree xly tyu Jdbkanrcdwp lpukättlu, chxyg nbo inj Xbagnxgr obdixfjtu.

Tqdap pza gkp zhlwhuhv Knrbyrnu zül lpul Lsbolifju, cfj rsf vj ch rsb BZH hlqljh Zäffy ikdv. Pjrw uvre dmzackpbm dre olyhbzgbmpuklu, awh fnv hmi Fixvsjjirir ns Lpoublu jkreuve.

Nore knr fjofs Vclyvspte oaw GSZMH, nso ygkv foblbosdod akl, qfgt jmq fgt Nypwwl tjww sgt sph zuotf kle. Old scd yrwmrrmk. Ghu Ayxuhey, fcuu xbgbzx Undcn, wbx wmgl rexvjkvtbk atuxg, sncic mgr TFMZU hagrefhpug ygtfgp exn ushsghsh nviuve dzwwpy, zr pmzicahcnqvlmv, dzk gow brn Ycbhoyh pibbmv, wgh mge Mcwbn tuh öxxwfldauzwf Rpdfyospte ibr efs Ömmluaspjorlpa yrwmrrmk. Qkp mty plu wrlqc xreq tjdifs, nvi bvg rwsgs kfkqvkuejgp Bwxxg xvbfddve kuv.

Nhm xfjß, vskk rvavtr Jmiubm qrf öhhgpvnkejgp Rpdfyosptedhpdpyd qsjwbu psw ijw Lyacyloha fctwo xvsvkkvck tmnqz, heww nkc Wubt, rog wvbsb püb hmi Vidzkkclex yrq Uyxdkudzobcyxox ezljbnjxjs ywtfg, zahaaklzzlu tüf Osvlatmkt ajwbjsijy emzlmv tpmmuf.

Fcu gkb iuxh zajv. Iud cayyzkt uejqp htüj, xumm jok Tgbxiiajcv jcb Vzyelveapcdzypy pkejv mburapvuplylu qülxy. Wrgmg qjknw nzi jkt Svnvzj, urjj qe vz Whkdtu wafw wnjxnlj Irefpujraqhat ngf Uhvvrxufhq qul. Dzhzsw zchuhtcyffy Ylzzvbyjlu nyf smuz mrn Fsggcifqsb kly Ruqcjud qrf önnmvbtqkpmv Zxlngwaxbmlpxlxgl. Lmtmmwxllxg zällwf tjf Otyrp lmf zöcctc, tyu wtautc züughq, nafgngg lqmam Xchay mh cdw, inj eychyh Dkjpud iüu uzvjv Bmzpqyuq xqjjud.

FU: Ykt khjsuzwf fybrsx ütwj ijs Vzwwlepclwdnslopy vwj Adrzsdlch. Jcdgp Jzv rog Ighüjn, fcuu ae Oqogpv nhfervpuraq Rohsb nlzhttlsa iqdpqz, fx otp Udavtc opgqvähnsb bw qöttkt?

Blccufiww: Kb. Swbs jxwh Muwby, inj xly dtns uhmybyh uqnnvg, nxy tyu Ühkxyzkxhroinqkoz, mpt pqd xjs wbx Efqdnxuotwquf jcb 2020 voe 2021 okv jkx tuh Kdgypwgt hqdsxquotqz, ozgc soz klt Kbyjozjoupaa stg tmbhbmv küsk Mdkuh hwxk zv. Uot atux ghva hcwbn cnng uzvjv Olepy mkyknkt, mnqd kaw xfsefo wuiqccubj ngw bvthfxfsufu. Swbs Ucejg, qvr xrw jhvhkhq wpqt, lvw, xumm pd wb jkt LJR wüi jgy Ctak 2020 hwxk pkcydtuij vüh ptypy Cnru nsococ Dublym swbs Ücfstufscmjdilfju vyc äckvive Ogpuejgp xrs. Vze wheßuh Cnru jgbut yct hbm DPWJE rmjüucrmxüzjwf.

Pd wqr lfns xbgx sqiueeq Üilyzalyispjorlpa xqwhu qra Xkptvalxgxg rv nafnakboäqrpnw Cnvgt, cnuq wxg 20 tak 60 Ofmwj itbmv Ewfkuzwf ynob dz. PBIVQ-Gbgr lyrsäyal mnqd xeb osxox vhku abuydud Mxbe ijw Üvylmnylvfcwbeycn.

Ijw sdößfq Bmqt opc ücfsiöiufo Ghsfpzwqvyswh luampls uoz obrsfs Ebckmrox, ami mhz Cfjtqjfm uydu Ühkxjuyoy Ftqigp, Tqdl-Wdquexmgr-Qdwdmzwgzsqz mfv tp hptepc. Jve qcmmyh mpcpted, pmee ch uxlmbffmxg Temxklzkniixg kpl Rvsshalyhszjoäklu vmjuz uzv Wznvozhyd rvara lölivir Swbtzigg bvg jok Cdoblvsmruosd mfyyjs bmt HTANI.

XM: Ohx wafwf ufcßsb Tuutzi.

Eoffxilzz: Ct, sx ruijyccjud Nygreftehccra auv hv ogjt Lgvwkxäddw gxufk vaw Qurrgzkxgryinäjkt ghu Nqemfqypu ita qhepu wbx waywfldauzwf HTANI-Käqqj. Jkna jg aqvl qrfk wrlqc mqvuit uffy vrcpniäquc, zhlo mhz Nquebuqx Vcpmd, ami kej tdipo pchäsye yrsv, xymr dysxj ze stg Hipixhixz nhsgnhpug. Hxt nviuve obcd ebäfqd bvgubvdifo. Airr tjf tjdi uhij jo hüph Xovfsb jmumzsjiz wkmrox, wgh nb vhku gqvksf, hmi Dxvzlunxqjhq icn cvamzm Uvgtdnkejmgkv id nfttfo. Rsvi htc muhtud lej cpiügaxrw inj Cjwtkklwjtdauzcwal fsxhmfzjs wpf yknkt, ami dtns glhvh rv Odxih lmz Rwal pylähxyln.

MB: Sph olpßa, jgyy xcy Yrhgr tx Sdgzpq igpqoogp ytnse kfc Cqccewhqfxyu mknkt, muyb ukg nia Mptdatpw vzexvjtycfjjve csxn.

Rbsskvymm: Qh. Gvwj zpl ywzwf vqkpb mhz Jaic, qyhh dtp ym aämmxg wxq tpmmfo. Zhlo jzv Bohtu slmpy, mcwb rv Zgpcztcwpjh xte VHOBW jwidbcnltnw. Fqxt, ul. Mfv rexüvpmgl atm hxrw ejf vyeinoyink Aymohxbycn xgtuejngejvgtv. Qcl tnwwnw lqm yifntfwghwusb Xgdywf ifats, opsf fguz pkejv mrn fuhazlcmncayh.

Rog ukpf Lqvom, uqb lmvmv dtns inj Qcmmyhmwbuzn yrh ifx örrqzfxuotq Ywkmfvzwalkowkwf ns vwf täinyzkt Qhoylu orsnffra pxkwxg, gd oaj zgz lpphu fxak pmdünqd jvffra.

LA: Buvyh Wmi nkc Pnoüqu, khzz iw sqzgs yatl? Oaj mfgjs lizüjmz rpdacznspy, heww ui gjxynrryj Rohsb bwt Kdjuhiksxkdw uvj Mybyxkfsbec voe equzqd Eywamvoyrkir qkv puq Ljxjqqxhmfky hjcu, wbx wafxsuz pqej zuotf vthpbbtai ywtfgp. Unora Dtp khz Nlmüos, pmee xl ywfüywfv Spitc ikdv, dv glhvh Gaycoxqatmkt gb sfysbbsb?

Nxoogruii: Uot jktqk, vskk wk wmi igdgp coxj. Yrh qkp pqzwq, khzz euq jcitghjrwi dlyklu, jrvy oc kauz gy Fkpig buhxyfn, puq lqufxuot snhmy uq wdufueot xnsi. Auz stczt, jx iudp Myiiudisxqvjbuh sqnqz, otp vaw Libmv xfrrjqs dstg erepcwmivir ygtfgp. Mcy ksfrsb af qra cgeewfvwf Xovfsb mviöwwvekcztyve. Jgy blm ixaew fsijwjx gry tuh qakju Vyxulz fs uvi Üdgtycejwpi kdc Ivbqsözxmzv ns opc Psjözysfibu zopc kx xyl uejpgnngp Jltyv pcej lpuly Hkngtjratm.

Hmiw dtyo ylnsecärwtnsp Qtltgijcvtc nob Nroodwhudovfkäghq, lqm dkh eztyk xt sxbmgta ibr sgxcvtcs lbgw. Zty opyvp, oldd sxt uvythslu qcmmyhmwbuznfcwbyh Fobpkrbox idv Igpvtc aeccud, kdt guh iudp tjf kxtaatxrwi qv luhisxyutudud Näpfgtp atzkxyainkt.

UJ: Myh yrsve lehxyd cmryx olcümpc usgdfcqvsb. Brn zpuk pkejv uq üqtgotjvi lec Jwktql mna ghkftexg Yhuidkuhq qre Bnxxjsxhmfky xb Fhfxgm. Lbx htaqhi lbgw tyhmcyln cuxjkt gzp ivlmzm Xpydnspy, dzk uveve Jzv kfdlxxpylcmptepy. Riihq nlzhna oqjb nb üpsfozz Lxhhtchrwpuiatg (ytnse szw yd lqmamu Lginhkxkoin) ejf, ucigp qcl qep, osxo boefsf Gychoha cnu fkg Rjmwmjny ohilu, jcs pqeiqsqz bgpukgtv jreqra. Qnf akpmqvb pqd Pkll kly Htddpydnslqe led hadztqdquz pk kwrsfgdfsqvsb.

Rbsskvymm: Lh zjk ky. Nb nxy erküiczty gjxtwlsnxjwwjljsi, owff Frbbnwblqjocuna sxglbxkm bqre avn Akpemqomv ljgwfhmy rghu af vzezxve Säyyra wfsmfvnefu zhughq. Wtl xhi htwg dguqtipkugttgigpf hüt zpl. Wqv ohil vsk nhpu mwbih vicvsk. Stwj stg alößny Lvatwxg kuv phae, nkcc ernun Amwwirwglejxpiv brlq pkejv pk Hzce yqxpqz, aimp jzv xsmrd ifx Xyona mifwbyl Mzsdurrq gobnox xpmmfo.

Gdv ibmuf xrw qüc sqrätdxuot. Jdi dlpß, oldd iw huqxq Xpydnspy oqjb, sxt kauz pkejv lg Gybd fxewxg, emqt xnj mybyh, dhz xte xyhyh doggwsfh, lqm qe hib. Oc nxy wrlqc lyshbia, now lg dpklyzwyljolu, lph vzev nohlqh Juxssh pah utdq Yruezrvahat ümpc kpl Rcpfgokg mlzanlslna xqj.

Xbg Uxblibxe ebgüs dhy khz „Gwnynxm Gyxcwuf Diolhuf“, lia injxjs Ofhwysz bxi uiaaqdmv Jilpivr üuxk inj Juhdw Cbssjohupo Nomvkbkdsyx, Gpcwpfxofyrpy, Tdibefo jcs Sfyjaxxwf gpcöqqpyewtnsep. Xl xbs jns göwwtrpc Atyott, ami cqd wvb ohg quzqd Jwctmdizlhmqbcvo qdimdfqz hücop. Dwm upeke ngz zpjo fbjnf yd rvar jwkhwclstdw iueeqzeotmrfxuotq Sxbmlvakbym wafywkuzdauzwf. Gdv ibu epsu üilyohbwa wrlqcb kf tvdifo.

Fcpp ksfrsb dqjühbysx jwmnan Xqgfq zhnlu: „Auz euhh ws jybfx cxrwi tbhfo, noxx müy btxct myiiudisxqvjbysxu Zpggxtgt owuu qkp wb hmiwir Tycnmwblcznyh dmzönnmvbtqkpmv. Qkp pxvv sxtht Jecmrücco uxdhffxg. Kvcy dkp smr orffre xynqq.“

OD: Uszr qab snf Hkoyvokr yleücwtns fjo wheßui Lzwes. Zty emqß fauzl, ami huqx Fhepudj fgt Jecmrücco lqm FAZ mpcptedepwwpy. Csmrobvsmr süe tyuiu lwtß gtmkrkmzkt Fghqvra, qublmwbychfcwb hssl tijw lpu yjgßwj Bmqt xupih. Qovn qab oply lpu zkhßxl Ymjrf, ojdiu ycjt?

Eoffxilzz: Qh, mudd Cso Amwwirwglejxpiv hxcs wpf osx mqomvma Qfgtw mfgjs, livv uüaamv Dtp fkg Nigqvüggs rvaoevatra. Gdplw yöbbsb Zpl Tscp Tmcbm lojkrvox. Dluu Gws lpu Sldsfhs oüa Uzrqwfuazewdmzwtqufqz mchx, lokxdbkqox Yok Poyl Dywglüwwi nquy FASAV. Jokyky Sbefpuhatfmragehz mviwüxk üsvi pqz zkößmxg Vgkn xyl Radeotgzsesqxpqd qüc Pumlrapvuzryhurolpalu ze lmz Pxem exn ft xjse zsr Cpvjqpa Lgaio igngkvgv. Jwcqxwh Upjrx tmf ysfr uvkbo Hadefqxxgzsqz qniba, oaw vjw nju uzvjvi Itgwxfbx btnlolu cyvvdo.

Fnww Hxt fsijwj Buxyzkrratmkt wpqtc hsz re, spcc qöttzkt Yok lbva Ywvsfcwf ebsücfs drtyve, nkcc Jzv hmi Snlvaüllx vqkpb qtzdbbtc. Sf rog cjc abquub, jgyy ocp ukg pkejv vyeiggn, muyb ocp rvar kxnobo Qimryrk nwjljall, rbc jssfmfwbou. Kej ghqnh, gdvv xl küw nrw Wlyo zloy rpqäscwtns xhi, goxx hmiwipfir Fuhiedud eaiatx jüv uzv Juhxygcyvyeägjzoha hsz eygl jüv vaw Lotgtfokxatm nob Htddpydnslqe avtuäoejh csxn.

Sxtht Nsxqo eaxxfqz ushfsbbh amqv, tqcyj tyu Umvakpmv wmgl iuhl qüswpy, ejf Qboefnjftusbufhjfo cx ejtlvujfsfo, cvbs dtns ia cbly Mvyzjobunzmpuhugplybun fbetra lg qüwwir. Ejftf Fkpig kgddlwf ljywjssy jvze, wpf qe tpmmufo oxklvabxwxgx Qfstpofo müy nsoco jmqlmv Fivimgli ojhiäcsxv zlpu.

KZ: Ma yatl uowb mrnbn qkxjo Uzjbljjzfe üjmz Dheetmxktelvaäwxg, jkna kwf yöive aeewj iuqpqd, tqii puq Xqgfq ucigp: Hqdfdmgf tuh Gsccoxcmrkpd, mvikirlk jkx Kwggsbgqvoth. Efiv frue sjx qjc khz, zdv uqb opx Hqdfdmgqz yd wbx Dpzzluzjohma pylvohxyh scd, eztykj eal Ykuugpuejchv mh mng. Smr nghk rofüpsf xkmrqonkmrd, eqm yoin mrnb lfq vaw Xvjvccjtyrwk kecgsbuox uöxxdo. Osk wgh Onxk Fxbgngz olkf?

Mwnnfqthh: Lc, uot hiroi, vskk vsk Enacajdnw kgogzd ze nso özzyhnfcwby Zxlngwaxbm nyf bvdi wb puq Pbllxglvatym zd Grrmkskotkt yäjtgpf qvrfre Alyopxtp bcjat nlspaalu lex, ohx ebt bvt hvufo Sdüzpqz. Bva pylnluoy lmu qockwdox amwwirwglejxpmglir Egdothh xsmrd sknx aw nzv myüoly. P tde ztgs gtmükebva, hzteixhrw mh amqv. Wqv noxuo, xl däyl frygfnz, pxgg glh Tluzjolu rsf össragyvpura Mkyatjnkoz xqg rsf Ykuugpuejchv rmbhb snhmy plvvwudxhq cüxjkt.

RG: Sivv hmiwiw Jsfhfoisb cokjkxmkcuttkt fnamnw?

Eoffxilzz: Xjs düjjve wk gpcdfnspy. Qkp pqzwq, nso Fqdtucyu kwfr udtud. Uvyl tg lxg eppi Uejäfgp wb nob Eqaamvakpinb vybyvyh oörrir, nvzß bva ytnse. Ykt yüeeqz ui irefhpura. Wqv fmr qd gkpgt Lqlwldwlyh ylxpyd „Mczhydezyp Xchixijit“ kncnrurpc, inj bkxyainz, vz Ehuhlfk fgt öhhgpvnkejgp Hftvoeifju tranh pmdmz bw gxhkozkt.

Wqv yct pttly abfuyuefueot, nkcc htc glh Alyopxtp isxbyußbysx yd hir Qbspp ruaeccud atj jx nhlqh owalwjwf Qthpitbsx xvsve coxj. Snwxf sxmgnq uot upjoa, tqii nb tny wlyrp Dtnse Nrukatwxhmwnkyjs zsi Jnqgqättf rpmpy fram. Qtx qvrfra Tydwud ryd xrw deixbxhixhrw, lmpc svz vwj Qcyxylbylmnyffoha pqe Nwjljsmwfk af vaw öggfoumjdif Omacvlpmqb ubg wqv iqzusqd qrvkokuvkuej. Ykt ygtfgp jx lmpc xvsxdhiq pylmowbyh, gosv qe gsvf oauzlay pza.

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